Posts by The Rebel

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Why was corruption of scriptures not prevented?

by anointed1 in

many bracketed portions in the scriptures, influence of foreign myths and unscientific teachings … etc show that scriptures have been corrupted.

even when they are not corrupted, religious teachings have often no effect even on direct disciples (when jesus was teaching, his immediate disciples were thinking about who was going to be first in the organization—something that happened in all religions which led into their infighting and divisions).

at the same time there are many good people among materialists, why?

The Rebel

I am an atheist and I may be wrong. But from my viewpoint I am an atheist because of words. Maybe this is why the only words Jesus wrote disappeared in the sand. I am referring to the scripture about the lady who committed adultry and was to be stoned, Jesus took his finger and wrote something in the sand, that today we can only speculate on what he wrote.

When you read and familiarize yourself with the endless Watchtower literature ...ummmm

Words are a far from perfect way to express our point of view. It has gotten worse as today we have smilies and twitter... :-) :-( :----) whatever.

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JW eBay Feedback Comment "Time Is Running Out!"

by pale.emperor in

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so i did a huge book clearout before i moved house a few weeks ago.

among the books for sale were some watchtower books that had become obsolete, old light or had since been "clarified" by the society.

so i thought they'd be wanted by ex-jw's or active apostates for their research.. unfortunately, it looks like an active jw is so brainwashed that they not only bought the "old light" version of gods kingdom rules but they even suggested that i read it because "time is running out".

The Rebel

I think that so funny, this brain washed Witness can only read certain books published by his beloved organization, by buying them on " Eaby"

Maybe upon receiving the book " Gods Kingdom Rules" and reading the contents he will awaken.

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Our new life.

by The Rebel in

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our life's are important, and maybe for many this board represents a first in a very important step to beginning a new life?

what is that new life?

it should be a life where we fulfill our wishes, not an organizations wishes, not our parents wishes and not our friends wishes.

The Rebel

I think my point is, we need the mental strength to leave. And if we leave and still feel we have accountability to people, and we have nothing in our life's to occupy our time then when we leave, we leave with a mental weakness, which can be hard to handle.

Leave without turning back, but don't leave and end up depressed and alone. It is my observation on this forum, many leave and still do their brain in asking questions about God. If you leave and 90% of your mind is always thinking about challenging people on God stuff, is this healthy? Life in my opinion is more fun and easier to deal with, when we can stop thinking about questions we never find an answer to.

Life can be top quality, my son has given me so much happiness and a merry Christmas to everyone on the board.

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Our new life.

by The Rebel in

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friends

our life's are important, and maybe for many this board represents a first in a very important step to beginning a new life?

what is that new life?

it should be a life where we fulfill our wishes, not an organizations wishes, not our parents wishes and not our friends wishes.

The Rebel

Maybe Fairlane, their is no blanket right or wrong way to leave, yet anyway we leave is the right way.

Elton John, ( Funneral for a friend / Love lies bleeding)

The roses in the window box

Have tilted to one side

Everything about this house

Is gonna grow old and die.

Oh it doesn't seem a year ago to this day

You said I'm sorry honey

If I dont change the pace

I can't face another day

I wonder if those changes

Have left a scar on you

Like all the burning hoops of fire

That you and I passed through.

...............................................

Personally my leaving was much easier by attending Watford f.c, matches and having a community of 20,000 to connect with. I also enjoyed my on-line Chess community, because it gave me moves to think about during the day, before I revisited the game made my move and got checkmated.

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Our new life.

by The Rebel in

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friends

our life's are important, and maybe for many this board represents a first in a very important step to beginning a new life?

what is that new life?

it should be a life where we fulfill our wishes, not an organizations wishes, not our parents wishes and not our friends wishes.

The Rebel

Our life's are important, and maybe for many this board represents a first in a very important step to beginning a new life? What is that new life? It should be a life where we fulfill our wishes, not an organizations wishes, not our parents wishes and not our friends wishes. But our wishes. Maybe for many our wish is still a mystery, but finding that wish, is the highest form of achievement we can give our life. For many particularly the young, this may require rebelling against our parents, not an easy thing to do particularly if we love our parents and they love us.

When we we are at the early stages of our "new life" the days seem short and dark, but the days will slowly get longer and brighter once we find what we really wish to do with our life's. Maybe that should be our first step in our plans to leave the Watchtower.

So do not leave the Watchtower if you only have a poor quality of life outside the organization, remain with dignity, don't be intimidated by their authorative voice, and plan a future where you are fulfilling your own wishes. Remember our life is for our enjoyment, and it should never be given to a heartless organizations, nor even well wishing parents. HOWEVER, neither hould our rebellion from the Watchtower leave us friendless and alone.

I wish everyone good luck in connecting with themselves, and successfully finding their new life.

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Have you ever known a holocaust denier? How did you feel about them?

by Esse quam videri in

i sometimes did work for a lovely old couple who at times needed repairs done around their home.

my wife and myself spent time with them, having tea and crackers from time to time.

one day the husband and myself got into a conversation and he clearly showed himself to be a holocaust denier.

The Rebel

For clarification in my earlier post I mentioned the holocaust survivors I had met. I did this because we are approaching a time when the generation of holocaust survivors, will have passed away. Therefore our children will never have the privilege to meet a holocaust survivor, sadly they may meet a holocaust denier, so the truth about the Nazi death camps should always be taught.

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Have you ever known a holocaust denier? How did you feel about them?

by Esse quam videri in

i sometimes did work for a lovely old couple who at times needed repairs done around their home.

my wife and myself spent time with them, having tea and crackers from time to time.

one day the husband and myself got into a conversation and he clearly showed himself to be a holocaust denier.

The Rebel

When I worked at Moss Bros as a child, a few holocaust survivors worked in the tailors dept, they kept themselves to themselves but we're very kind to me, and got me out some messes when I got my fitting measurements wrong.

A teacher at school was a survivor, never a personal tutor of mine, but at meal times I remember she would get angry if kids wasted food. I now understand why.

i have been to a few talks held at libraries given by survivors, always treasured the fact they wanted to teach about intolerance.

I would never deny the holocaust, but like with any subject, critical thinking needs be applied to the books we read. Calel Perechenik, Autobiography " Am I a murdereer" and "The death Brigarde" by Leon Wells, are two books that present irrefutable evidence gas chambers were real. I have never found concrete evidence of the actual figure that were killed in the gas chambers, but I have zero tolerance for those that deny the holocaust happened.

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The right to shun - wrong?

by Simon in

many people are understandably upset and angry at the notion that jws have the right to shun people.

it seems such an obvious "no brainer" cruel and inhuman thing to do - it must be wrong ... surely?.

of course we look at things from the perspective of those hurt and harmed by shunning.

The Rebel

Finkelstien, I came back to the site, for a visit, and I am glad people like you are still around...Take care.

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The right to shun - wrong?

by Simon in

many people are understandably upset and angry at the notion that jws have the right to shun people.

it seems such an obvious "no brainer" cruel and inhuman thing to do - it must be wrong ... surely?.

of course we look at things from the perspective of those hurt and harmed by shunning.

The Rebel

You may have a point Finkelstein. If I am honest I do not know the meaning of "inalienable"

But my point is a Witness does have the right to choose their own religious beliefs. Sadly such a choice may mean "public condemnation, predjuice and hatred, imposed by a greater recognized established religious institution" Life is not fair, but if we consider ourself adults and are over 21, we have to make tough decisions, and to shun or not is one of those decisions. That's my point.

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The right to shun - wrong?

by Simon in

many people are understandably upset and angry at the notion that jws have the right to shun people.

it seems such an obvious "no brainer" cruel and inhuman thing to do - it must be wrong ... surely?.

of course we look at things from the perspective of those hurt and harmed by shunning.

The Rebel

Finkelstein, My answer to your anology, is No. ( or in Watchtower language a " Resounding NO" ) But in my society, the person who offered the child for sacrifice would be in court tomorrow and then held in custody before sentencing. In my society even the solicitors of his religious organization, wont get him out of this mess.